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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 5, 2009 5:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Right-wing / conservative / traditionalist Deadheads

spaced--

before you go on vaca, just know I enjoy having someone on this forum who's even to the left of ME. I didn't think that was possible ;-)

I don't take issue w/most of what you said, and as I've said many times before here, the disastrous realm of the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/Rove years will have repurcussions for years and years to come. Obama inherets a bigger pile of crap than you could fit in a Rhino and the hard right acts as if it all cropped up in the last 6 months.

Still...I draw the line at the Hitler=Bush crowd. We make such false comparisons at our peril. We cannot ignore the history of what really happened under the Nazis. last time I checked Bush and Cheney weren't rounding up millions and sticking them into ovens and gas chambers (detention centers in Cuba without formal charges, yes...and commiting acts of torture that the U.S. once prosecuted the Japanese for doing in WWII...yes...and that's horrible....but it still does not rise to the level of Hitler.)

There are degrees of evil in the world. Hitler's was intentional and with clear intent to eliminate an entire population of people. Bush and Cheney's was born more of hubris and ignorance and fear. Big difference, and we need to recognize it.

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Poster: skies Date: Sep 6, 2009 5:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Right-wing / conservative / traditionalist Deadheads

Grandelchoice: ask australian journalist Jane Burgermeister if she thinks Obama/cheney not worse than hitler soon! jmburgermeister@gmail.com

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Poster: spacedface Date: Sep 5, 2009 4:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Right-wing / conservative / traditionalist Deadheads

Yes, I agree. WWII was a massive disaster. More devastating than the Mongols?

I'm always wary of defensive reactions against the use of Hitler and the Holocaust. There were many more people effected than one ethnic group, many of which have used the disaster for personal and propaganda gains. See http://tinyurl.com/m2lt2r.

It's a nasty world on one level, even in Biblical history where the Jews themselves committed similar holocausts.

Of course, you right despite their sympathies with Hitler, the right wing here have not done those things lately -- umm mass genocide and chattel slavery are kinda Nazi, nest pas? Though they have sponsored similar things or allied themselves with perps across the world for decades. I guess I should feel blessed I haven't had to face that sort of thing myself.